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jeez, his guide is absolutely massive and is 100% research based, not just his opinions or experiences

6:21 PM

ironically that means his system's methodology for switching probably isn't included because it wasn't very normal

6:22 PM

a link just in case anyone sees me talking about it here but can't access it over the following days- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTmZ0bkWkNYwKJL8L0xkectBOwIkp7SLgkb0lT8u444/edit#

I've got that guide bookmarked ahaha

Thank you for that guide

9:29 PM

Seriously, my tulpas are more from a spiritual origin.

uh oh

@Timer I updated my review. You did an excellent job! There's just one small issue I found that should be an easy fix and I'll approve it!

@A long kiss goodnight I've left .info's forums, actually :<

Oh, I didn't know that included your guide, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that

So I’m not sure if it’s the right channel, but I found that two links in the «guides» section of the forums are dead

This is the right channel, and can you link the broken guides please?

12:26 AM

I'm assuming the guides themselves have .info pages, but you can't view them (edited)

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-healthy-multiplicity-and-tulp%C3%A6 https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sex%E2%80%94what-is-the-question Can’t find them with the research feature of the forum so I guess they’ve been deleted??

12:32 AM

In the «Articles» section

I found the second one: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/12314-sex%E2%80%94what-is-the-question/ (edited)

Sex—what is the question?

A generic research on the sexuality and tulpae (for Articles). If it would help; I might spend some time and anonymise the data so it would qualify for Research; but I dont see a great benefint for it personally. It was a while since I raised the topic of tulpa and sex. The l...

12:35 AM

hmm... I need to take a closer look at the urls you have

12:36 AM

Ah, I see. It looks like a general redirect issue. Did you save those links from the old forums?

No, it’s in https://community.tulpa.info/topic/11498-list-of-guides/

List of Guides

A list of the various guides, tips, and articles submitted to tulpa.info, arranged by their topic. Whether an entry is approved or disapproved depends on tulpa.infos Guide Approval Team (GAT), which does its best to try to make sure all guides are up to standards and easy to ...

12:37 AM

Lol I get it

12:38 AM

æ and — aren’t ASCII so the forum probably fucked up the redirection from old-style to new-style URLs

12:38 AM

because other similar «old-style» URLs are redirected properly

That might be good for an @Administrator ping

Here's the other guide: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/9913-healthy-multiplicity-and-tulp%C3%A6/

Healthy Multiplicity and Tulpæ

Healthy multiplicity is the state of the body, where more than one mind can inhabit the body and coexist with each other peacefully. But between psychologists and the general population, multiplicity is more commonly looked at as a mental disorder, either as DID, MPD or DDNOS...

Thank you ^^

Sure, np

12:43 AM

Btw, Discord converts the link characters, this is how it displays both links for me:

Same for me in Firefox, it just displays it nicely but under the hood it’s the encoded characters

Thank you for finding the broken links, if you find any more let us know

On Tulpas—an essay about plurality in general and tulpamancy in particular https://community.tulpa.info/thread-misc-on-tulpas%E2%80%94an-essay-about-plurality-in-general-and-tulpamancy-in-particular

12:47 AM

I didn’t spot another non-ASCII character in any other title, so the other links should be fine

are there any guides for skipping to vocal imposition? it seems the best responses I've gotten seem closest to physical

If your tulpa isn't vocal, imposition won't help much

eh fair enough just thought I'd ask

uh... there's not "best" order of tulpa abilities to learn

5:17 PM

if you're having more success with physical contact, do that, by all means

5:17 PM

my tupper used to hug me and hold my hand before he could speak

<3 Thanks for posting that

If a tulpa isn't vocal, it's because they aren't being given the opportunity to think, or they can't think yet (not sentient) Vocal imposition won't improve their ability to think

6:19 PM

The problem isn't just "I can't hear my tulpa," it's "I'm not letting my tulpa talk"

Lucilyn: mostly agree but I wouldn't say ALWAYS, just probably usually (edited)

11:07 PM

don't bother with imposition before your tulpa is autonomous though

11:08 PM

an autonomous/sentient tulpa might still not be vocal yet and you could try imposition with them

11:08 PM

gaining vocality through imposition before just mindvoice sounds... weird/unlikely, but then, most people never bother with vocal imposition to begin with

I saw that the guide «A Tulpa Checklist [Tips and Tricks]» seems to have been edited? The link brings to a post where it’s only written «aaaaa»

I think that's the guide that had a whole bunch of comments all over it so we added another link without the comments

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The Path: Psychomancy by Astora Diam

Hey. I wrote a book that extensively discusses thoughtform creation using occult-based techniques. Here is a link to the Amazon page: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F2YD1GM Let me know if this isnt the right section and should be posted in a more appropriate section.

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Hey, y'all still got a position open? I know it's not terribly good form, but I'm not nearly in as hectic a life position anymore and things are pretty stabilized. So I feel I'd be able to, well, actually review stuff and get things done now, and it doesn't look like anyone was jumping at the bit to take Gavin/our place. (edited)

12:58 AM

@GAT

I'm happy with you coming back

Sure

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@Pleeb

6:32 PM

Looks like you have a bot on the forums

this new guide looks really good

haha the other topic they posted was in "Talk to staff" talk about alerting us.

Nice

get tulpa a job

9:13 PM

~~my tulpa got a job~~

Nice

I'm sorry, I'm being informed by my lawyer that DoorDash would very much like it if I made clear that there was no employer-employee relationship at any point whatsoever

9:15 PM

~~please vote against classification abuse~~

This is definitely a guide discussion

9:15 PM

Very good one 10/10

So what do you think about my attempt at a guide https://old.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/iwkwm4/tulpa_mindset_guide_exploring_how_to_create_a/ ? Btw @Reguile that whole discussion about imaginary friends vs tulpas inspired a good chunk of it.

r/Tulpas - Tulpa mindset guide - exploring how to create a tulpa by...

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I had seen and opened this before you mentioned it, was thinking "hey this looks like my style of post"

Well it is catered towards people who have issues creating tulpas. So sceptics etc. And generally less technique based and more mentality-underlying function based

Two main thoughts so far in reading it. I agree with the majority of what you say there, barring a few things. Theory Wise: The first is that I'm trending more and more nowadays to think of the "tulpas are easy" concept, especially connected to belief, as a sort of a trap. It tricks you into thinking tulpamancy is easy because you can get in the door easily, but more focus should be put less on getting in the door (albiet getting in the door is required to go further) and instead put on the "big set of traits and skills" that go hand in hand with a tulpa. Personality-understanding both in general and of the tulpa, ability to hold an identity in yet ever more diverse and difficult situations, the number of associations/habits/etc that keep your tulpa dredged up from the no-thought-land that shows up when you get distracted. I've been experimenting more with visualization esque stuff recently and I'm starting to feel I really underestimate its importance in tulpamancy, thrown out a very very valuable "grounding" tool because it wasn't necessary. Really, at it's core your guide isn't bad about this, but I think your introduction starts to fall into that trap of representing tulpamancy as "easy". The second disagreement-thought I have on it is that I feel there is no such thing as something going on in your head which isn't self-reflective. Your brain, if you experience a thing, is reflecting on that action and that reflection means all brain-activities are directly (or indirectly) aware of themselves. A character with "no self reflection" likely is self aware regardless unless you're in total control of their actions and there is no modeling of the way they would behave going on in their brain, in my opinion. (edited)

8:43 PM

Guide Wise: I feel like you could do more to bring the definitions of each type of category closer to the advice. By the time I'm reading your tips/tricks for each of the categories on how to build a tulpa the definitions you gave for automaticity/independence/self-reflectivity have faded from memory and it's somewhat tough for me to connect them right away "what was automaticity again?" You could probably move the "let us now look at the two.... depends on what you struggle the most with" section of the guide below your other advice or just remove it alltogether for something more streamlined/punchy. It's good stuff, but in the context of this being a guide it's a bit off the track and probably serves more to detract than add (or could be separated more frimly from the rest of the guide, maybe moved to the bottom under a BIG BOLD LINE HEADER?). In general I kind of feel this leans theory heavy over guide heavy. It could probably used a lot more structured tips/tips/things to do. Despite my thoughts there, this appears to read super well and is a light year jump over a lot of the other stuff I see out and about, I think it's good. (edited)

It is in reference to the tulpa that these characteristics are explained. What I really mean with self-reflective is self-awareness but somewhat broader(this section in general is more for people coming from a writer-experience and I try and focus on the whole idea of the tulpas being constrained by their nature and needing to alleviate that).

8:51 PM

Also ninja edit to move the section <.>

8:53 PM

Though yes in general I disagree with your take in regards to that(self-reflection)

8:54 PM

The idea that all thoughts are self-aware of themselves seems like a significant distortion at least of what I see as the common usage of self-awareness

8:57 PM

Though I don't really disagree that it could use more specific tips... It's just that those are significantly harder to find/think of and I just wanted to get something out so I settled with suggesting a general direction if they have that problem

As for tulpas are easy. That's not really what I wanted to convey. I more so want to convey the idea that it isn't about how much effort you put in. You can put in hundreds of hours doing something inefficiently and still get no results compared to if you identify and work on the correct thing instead.

9:10 PM

Also I don't really disagree that there is more to be said about tulpa development. But that's more so for a future guide Silina is planning to make(at some point... hopefully). For this one I just wanted to look at the get into the door step.

Thoughts aren't aware of themselves, your brain is aware of its thoughts so it's difficult for thoughts to occur without there being some form of self-awareness of them. I think the main difference with a tulpa is that a tulpa can "own" the self awareness process where as a non-tulpa the "host" is going to be acting "owning" the self awareness part. I think the result is the same either way, but you might be able to say there is more independence in the case of the tulpa?

9:12 PM

In other words, I see self awareness as existing a layer above the tulpa/host/thoughts

Well ownership in the first place is covered by independence. The self-reflection part is to differentiate between vivid characters/imaginary friends and tulpas(as I see it)

9:18 PM

Simply put you can have a character by a writer which acts independently and automatically of you. But it is not self-aware of itself. It has no function of looking at and evaluating it's own thoughts and emotions it is constrained from knowing of the wider world and is stuck within it's setting. The layer above might be doing that-but that doesn't interest me here. The character itself does not do so and as such is not self-aware of itself even though it acts independently and autonomously of you. I think this is a key difference from a tulpa which is why I have it as a characteristic.

My understanding of a lot of these "autonomous characters" is such that I think you might be underestimating the amount of self-awareness that is there in a case like that. Authors report a lot of self-aware behaviors in characteres like this, and I think it would be fair to say that many appear to be as self aware as you might expect a tulpa to be. With that in mind I think self awareness isn't the key differentiator there, it's other traits which may include but aren't limited to having an expectation that "hey this is someone else" or what you call independence in your guide. There might actually be two classes of independence here. There is "this is my persona/my method of acting" and "these thoughts belong to me". The latter is the big deal in this case, where the former already exists in the character. An author might say "oh yeah these are jeffery's thoughts" but not have any sense of the idea that those thoughts could be "not me" even if they recognize them as being the thoughts of someone who isn't them. (edited)

9:29 PM

Setting I'm not sure is super significant in my mind? Namely, if I were here or if I were in a big fake simulation I would still be just as "me" in either case.

9:35 PM

You might say that those characters are already tulpas if they're self aware?

Well for a skeptic yes independence is probably the key factor. I was more thinking of three main reasons I can see tulpa creation failing making this(or not considering something a tulpa but rather character in the last case). Automicity and independence are definitely core though for actual functioning. Self-reflectivity isn't as key in that regard(which is why I more consider it a mental barrier or incompatible mindset with the idea of tulpas as their own beings). (edited)

Seems reasonable. I'm not sure what more I can say here, but I feel like I should acknowledge what you've said as well.

Silina: Started a new guide about self-improvement for us headmates(haven't gotten very far yet). I hope to include lots of ideas from all around the place so feel free to add to it if you wish. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1GT8n4r_tIBzU2d2sohP_BItmUvkM44-4PfdJOU4EE/edit?usp=sharing

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hi, i just joined the server and read up a bit. i'm lex. i was hoping someone could help point me in the direction of more guided meditation / hypnosis guides than the ones GearHeart have posted on youtube. a couple of years ago i remember there being several more made by other people, and even posted on the forums, but i can't find them now. i have bad adhd and really struggle to focus or meditate without the audible guide. and hypnosis has worked well for me in the past

8:42 PM

one that i really liked but can't find now for the life of me, it was a hypnosis video for tulpa creation on youtube. all i really remember is that you were supposed to imagine yourself waking up on a bed, in a familiar room, and the video had a white background. but really any kind of guided meditation would help a ton

The only other guides I'm aware of are by someone named "verple".

You're probably referring to the positivity hypno tulpa video. It looks like the video was taken down, which is weird. I have the file downloaded, though

8:48 PM

that's it!! you rock

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your forfetting soething

i will look up 'verple' too, doesn't sound familiar

8:50 PM

thanks!!

what’s abvieon forgetting then?

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